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Karl Rove gets a divorce. Gay marriage still illegal in most places.
It’s worth remembering what President Bush said in 2004 in the Rove-orchestrated attempt to capture the anti-gay vote:
Rove’s divorce, though, more or less proves that marriage is an evolving paradigm. No-fault divorce is, after all, a relatively recent phenomenon in Texas — I’m assuming, based on news reports, that neither Rove nor his wife alleged adultery or cruelty as part of the divorce petition — and across the United States. Before 1970 or so, here’s how divorce worked in the United States:
Now you can argue that no-fault divorce came about as a result of “judicial activism.” It was the California Supreme Court that originally struck down laws stipulating the requirements for divorce. And you can argue the subsequent rise in divorce shows that the court was in error. But most reasonable people, I think, recognize that forcing two people to remain legally entangled in a marriage that one or both wants to leave would represent an abhorrent level of government activity in the private realm. Of course, Karl Rove’s divorce doesn’t mean that gays and lesbians should have the right to marry. But in the absence of explicitly religious arguments against gay marriage — arguments the state isn’t allowed to make or use as justifications for its decisions, opponents of gay marriage have resorted to appeals to ” tradition” (as President Bush did above) or “natural law” to defend straights-only marriage as the unchanging and correct order of things. But marriage changes. It has always been changing. Karl Rove today is the beneficiary of that process. UPDATE: RightPundits.com suggests I’m among the legions of left-leaning journalists rubbing hands “with glee” over the failure of Rove’s marriage. Not at all. Marriage is tough, and I’d never wish ill toward anybody else’s relationship — no matter how misguided I might think them on political matters. But Rove made a concerted effort to push the marriage status of hundreds of thousands of Americans to the center stage of the political process. He treated the issue like a political plaything. Which is easier to do when it’s an abstract notion. Only problem is: For each one of those couples, it’s not at all an abstract issue. And if a politician’s private behavior is at odds with their political stances, well: It’s the job of journalists and pundits to point out that kind of stuff. Hypocrisy is rampant in Washington D.C., of course, but it still matters. And hey, RightPundits readers! Welcome! |
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Which wouldn’t be worth commentary, of course, e
What are we to conclude from that enigmatic link to the New York Times Magazine profile of Robert George? That natural law arguments are as fallacious as mere appeals to tradition? That George’s arguments (and not just George’s) are somehow Potemkin constructs? Or what? I’m not sure you can just wave your hand at that one, Joel.
What does Karl Rove getting a divorce have to do with gay marriage? Headlines these days make me want to vomit in the face of those who twist words and make up things just to create a catchy headline whether its bogus or not
enough already
A confession: I’m not nearly as steeped in “natural law” as you are, Ben. I’ve read and re-read the NYT piece, but I’ve not read a lot of George. (My first gloss and very surface level impression is similar to Andrew Sullivan’s: That George starts out with his conclusion and works from there.) But honestly: all I’ve got right now is a hand wave and some reading I feel I ought to do.
In this case, I wanted to acknowledge that line of thought is out there while talking more broadly about the idea of marriage as an evolving paradigm.
I’ll crack open that natural law book, I promise.
Lyle: Maybe you should read the blog post if you really want an explanation. Given your comment, I’m guessing you didn’t.
Captcha: “at mentally”
What does Karl Rove getting a divorce have to do with gay marriage? When the issue of banning gay marriage was put on the ballot in California, the main argument that the “Yes on 8″ camp put forth was that allowing gay marriage would erode or somehow harm existing traditional marriage. The opponents of gay marriage usually invoke the Bible. Unfortunately, they missed a statement that says what God hates most is divorce. In October John Marcotte, a local gadfly/blogger, decided to call their bluff and is trying to put in a ballot measure banning divorce. I hope this helps connect the dots for you, Lyle.
Perhaps it’s time to ban divorce in order to save the institution of marriage…..
Onward to equality,
Joe Mustich, Justice of the Pecae,
Washington, Connecticut, USA.
that’s Justice of the Peace
I may be way over my head, but using Robert George’s own line of thinking, if there can be a just war, does it not also follow that there can be a just abortion? Both are wrong (killing is killing) but he allows for the one and not the other. I agree with those who say George starts out with his personal conclusion and then attempts to build a case from there.
Who would want to be married to that toad to begin with .. but for his money I guess he couldnt get a cow to wed him ..
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“marriage is an evolving paradigm…” you know where *I* would go with this. To equate divorce-between-male-and-female-spouses with attempting-to-form-a-genetically-linked-family-unit-using-only-males-or-females as equal types of “evolving” is equating evolving different colored moths from each other with evolving warm-blooded animals from cold-blooded.
Always note: my point is not to get on my high horse and say gay people shouldn’t be allowed to cohabitate in peace, with all rights and privileges pertaining thereto. You know me better than that.
My point is: people *have* to be aware of what they are messing with, if they are going to try and convince a bunch of people — who in the back of their ancient minds still hold to an ancient concept since time-out-of-mind — to “evolve” their conception of “marriage” intentionally.
Captcha: new chill !
PS re: “or ‘natural law’ to defend straights-only marriage..” thanks for the link! It is nice to know that more well-known and respected people think along lines similar to what I have “evolved” on my own! ;o)
Of course, your caveat of “straights-only” attached to “marriage” reveals your bias, as my continued use of mere “marriage” reveals mine.
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