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Baffling Suicides

Jan 23 2009 | Comments 8

I know people don’t like it much when I write about suicide, and I admit to a morbid fascination with the topic, perhaps because of my own problems with ideation. But I recently read about a group suicide that’s so puzzling, I can’t stop thinking about it. The case is closed now because there are no answers. From the L.A. Times:

Some time in early May, the exact date unknown, Margo and Grace, both 21; Fransuhi Kesisoglu, 72; and Manas, 58, committed suicide with Vicodin, sleeping pills and antidepressants, they said. Only Margrit did not have drugs in her system. As Manas lay unconscious from the overdose, she shot him in the chest. Then she put the gun into her mouth and fired.

That’s a mother, father, grandmother and two twin daughters. No, they weren’t part of a cult; they weren’t religious at all, in fact. Nor was there significant economic trouble the whole family was subject to, nor was anyone sick. It makes no sense. For other family members who struggle to understand, there are no answers:

“There’s just nothing there,” said Orange County Sheriff’s Det. Dan Salcedo, who has been trying to decipher the case since late May. “I’d like to find something, have something, some possible reason to give the family some closure.

“If there were any problems,” he said, “they certainly kept it to themselves.”

There was, however, one odd detail: the twin girls.

Margo and Grace were inseparable. Through elementary, middle and high school they dressed identically — in dark-colored turtlenecks with long sleeves and dark pants. Fellow students at Bernice Ayer Middle School said they were quiet, polite, sweet, smart — and strange. The girls told acquaintances they would be together for the rest of their lives.

Sometimes Manas would join them at school for lunch. In the afternoon, he often arrived 20 minutes before classes let out and waited to pick them up, students recalled.

When they were psych interns at a hospital for pre-med rotations, now in college, they still dressed identically, which I don’t think is the norm for adult twins.

Dr. Kai MacDonald compared them to Rosencrantz and Guildenstern, the indistinguishable characters in William Shakespeare’s “Hamlet.”

“It’s funny that certain people are so conjoined,” MacDonald said. “I guess I would consider them as something of a unit.”

But strange behavior — and not that strange, even — doesn’t explain why a whole family would decide to commit suicide. I’ve read every article I can find, and nothing else jumps out at me. And why do I care so much? I don’t know. It’s just that knowing the agony of the suicidal impulse, I can’t imagine what these five people were going through. The “house of horrors” model doesn’t apply to a home with corpses, but to a home with five people all thinking about wanting to die.


liz | 11:42 AM | suicide

Lisa Says:

The closest explanation I can come up with is folie à deux (folie à famille, in this case) but that usually involved delusions or psychosis, neither of which is immediately evident here.

Jan 23 6:50 PM

Sandy Naiman Says:

A fascinating piece and one of the first I’ve seen that so sensitively ponders this strangest of phenomena. Late last year, here, in Toronto, in a triple-murder suicide a father killed his two adult children and his wife, before shooting himself. He even killed the family dog. Profoundly puzzling as the parents were about depart on a vacation. There was a note on the door warning “Don’t Come In. Call Police.”
Good, thoughtful and compassionate post, Liz.
Thanks for shedding your light on a very perplexing case.

Thanks.

Jan 23 10:09 PM

Cheryl Says:

Liz, you are not the only one that has a fascination with suicide. I don’t know why, but I always have, too (also plane crashes). I always want to know why why why. Most of the time, it remains a mystery. Just wanted to let you know you’re not alone.

Jan 24 1:10 PM

jenny Says:

there’s a similar scenario in michael haneke’s film “the seventh continent”.

Jan 24 6:37 PM

Carter Says:

Thanks, Liz. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with thinking about & discussing these tragedies, esp. since we crazies have some insight into it. For me, this story is all about the mysteries of how mental illness travels in & affects families. I think a lot of what happens in families with illness is subtle & just beneath the surface, so it’s not necessarily far-fetched to see a “normal” family unravel like this.

Jan 25 2:05 PM

tom Says:

i’m inclined to the view that it’s in the nature of suicide that it’s often (not always, but often) inexplicable. it took a while but that was the conclusion i reached regarding my father. see also Amis’ ‘Night Train” and Eugenides’ ‘The Virgin Suicides’.

Jan 25 6:19 PM

Erin Says:

Here’s another family suicide story:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=6747320

Jan 28 9:55 AM

Francesco Bellafante Says:

Liz, I have always appreciated how much time and attention you spend illuminating the subject of suicide.

Let’s continue to shine the light on a leading cause of death in America that gets a disproportionate amount of coverage in the mainstream media.

Jan 29 6:01 AM

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